Stefan Lindgren skriver i senaste ”Ryska Posten” nr 40 om Nya ”bevis” om MH-17
Enligt det ryska utrikesdepartementet är de inspelningar som offentliggjorts av den ”internationella undersökningsgruppen” (JIT) i fallet med det nedskjutna malaysiska passagerarplanet MH-17. med förfalskningar. Redan vid en snabb bekantskap med inspelningarna skiner det teatraliska igenom:
Rysk officer 1: ”Vi får också order från Moskva. Det är samma sak med oss.”
Rysk officer 2: ”Men det är FSB i ditt fall? Eller hur?”
Rysk officer 1: ”Ja.”
Rysk officer 2: ”Och det är GRU i vårt fall. Det är den enda skillnaden.”
Och så vidare, med ett enda syfte, att få Kreml att framstå som direkt ansvarig för nedskjutningen.
Tydliga omnämnanden – bara alltför tydliga för att vara trovärdiga – görs av order från Rysslands försvarsminister Sjojgu och den dåvarande chefen för presidentadministrationen Surkov.
Liknande uppenbart förfalskade ”ljudbevis” presenterades redan 2014
De nya inspelningarna skiljer sig dock på en punkt. Det talas ingenstans direkt om att rysk militär eller militär från de självutropade republikerna LNR och DNR skulle ha genomfört nedskjutningen.
Följaktligen blir det svårt att lägga inspelningarna till grund för det planerade åtalet i en distriktsdomstol i Haag.
Problematiskt för åtalet blir också att Ukraina inte har offentliggjort vare sig inspelad trafik mellan flygledning och flygplan eller radardata (USA har heller inte offentliggjort satellitdata), liksom att flygplanets hemland, Malaysia, fördömer de holländska utredarnas politisering och mordanklagelser mot namngivna ryssar som ”löjliga. BBC.
Rättegången, som inleds vid en distriktsdomstol i Haag den 9 mars, planeras att bli en stor och årslång skådeprocess mot Ryssland. Domstolen har avsatt ca 150 dagar till att behandla åtalet mot ett antal utpekade ryssar.
Ryssland erkänner inte domstolens jurisdiktion, i synnerhet som det inte har tillåtits delta i den ”internationella” utredningen.
Källa: pravda.ru 18/11
De nya ”ljudbevisen” kommer naturligtvis från Ukrainas säkerhetstjänst som många gånger tidigare beslagits
Är detta ett svar på holländska parlamentarikers KRAV på att utreda Ukrainas brott ( att inte stänga luftrummet)??
“Finally”: The Dutch Parliament Investigates the Crime Committed by Ukraine
More than five years has passed since the tragedy of flight MH17 over the skies of Donbass, but it is only now that the parliament of the Netherlands tasked the government with investigating the question that everyone reasonably asked from first minutes after the incident: why didn’t Ukraine close the airspace over the zone of the military conflict. It is no wonder that a number of the Dutch media outlets have accompanied news headlines about this event with the word “Finally”.
However the international investigation team investigating the crash constantly ignored this conclusion. The policy of different parties periodically demanded a report from the government and supervisory authorities responsible for the investigation concerning the reasons for such a strange position. Last year, after the latest inquiries, the Minister of Foreign Affairs Stef Blok told parliamentarians that the government has “no proof” of Ukraine’s guilt. As if saying, the case is closed, even without it having begun.
https://www.stalkerzone.org/finally-the-dutch-parliament-investigates-the-crime-committed-by-ukraine/
Eric van de Beek intervju med Max van der Werff, Amsterdam:
JIT head of investigation Fred Westerbeke pointed out in an interview that he did not include in the research the report from BUK manufacturer Almaz Antey. He literally said: “Their conclusion is the total opposite from our own conclusion. We do not agree with it. However, I am not going to judge whether their conclusions are wrong or right.” I found it rather disconcerting to read this, because Westerbeke is actually claiming the only information we want from Russia is information that would demonstrate their guilt, the remainder does not interest us and we will not be bothered to falsify any data when that would benefit Russia.
According to Pieter Klein of RTL News, the government would have told the surviving relatives that holding Ukraine responsible for the open airspace might disrupt cooperation with Ukraine inside the JIT. That could in turn damage any investigation of the perpetrators. The word ‘blackmail’ comes to mind when I read that the Netherlands is afraid of offending Ukraine.
http://johnhelmer.net/july-17-is-the-fourth-anniversary-of-the-mh17-attack-time-and-reason-to-doubt-the-allegations/
det är möjligt att det var ett av ukrainas rysktillverkade su-25 som sköt ner mh-17. varför ändrade wikipedia uppgifterna om högsta flyghöjd för su-25 från 10000 m till 7000 m efter nerskjutningen. su-25 har varit uppe på över 10000 m enligt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ASukhoi_Su-25
. Alexander Rutskoy (vice-president of Russia in 1991-1993) was in command of an air assault regiment in Afganistan from 1985 to 1988 and had 6-year experience of flying Su-25. In an RTR TV channel talk show of October 10, 2014 he confirmed of reaching up to 12,000 meter altitude aboard this aircraft in several flights with its maximum ceiling being 14,600 meters. Who knows it better? Kindly insert his story into the article and stop making us lauph any longer. But one does have to put on an oxygen mask higher than 7,000 meters.
Det är möjligt att CIA ändrat uppgifterna….
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/5VpK1m/cia-censurerade-wikipedia
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-security-wikipedia/cia-fbi-computers-used-for-wikipedia-edits-idUSN1642896020070816
Program shows CIA behind Wikipedia entries
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-08-16/program-shows-cia-behind-wikipedia-entries/642224
Uppgradering av SU25
Upgraded Su-25KM Proposed by Elbit, TAM
http://defense-update.com/news/su25KM.htm
Su-25KM Scorpion [Georgia]
The modernization of SU-25KM aims at improving the military capabilities and widening the area of application of the aircraft, as well as reducing its performance expenses.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/su-25km.htm
officiell spec på su-25 anger 7000m-10000m: https://uos.ua/produktsiya/aviakosmicheskaya-tehnika/84-cy-25
Det har inte uppmärksammats det faktum att den 17 juli 2014 avslutades en NATO övning i Svarta havet:
The 10-day NATO exercise code named «BREEZE 2014» has ended in Black Sea. The exercise, which included the use of electronic warfare and electronic intelligence aircraft such as the Boeing EA-18G Growler and the Boeing E3 Sentry Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS), coincided with the shootdown of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine, some 40 miles from the Russian border. NATO ships and aircraft had the Donetsk and Luhansk regions under total radar and electronic surveillance.
However, 200 U.S. Army personnel normally assigned to bases in Germany were in Ukraine during the time of the MH-17 fly-over. They were participating in NATO exercise RAPID TRIDENT II. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense led the exercise.
http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/07/mh-17-and-nato-excercise-breeze-2014%E2%80%B3/
3-4000 CIA agenter befann sig i Ukraina sedan mitten av maj 2014.
Den 8 juli 2014, ukrainska regimen hotade separatisterna med en ’nasty surprise’
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0FC11520140708
Ukraina var besviken på EU som den 16 juli 2014 inte införde tillräcklig hårda sanktioner mot Ryssland
Som kronan på verket vid bildandet av JIT, slöts ett avtal mellan de fyra skurkstaterna (Holland, Belgien, Australien och Ukraina):
”In the framework of the 4-country agreement signed on 8 August between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia, information on the progress and results of the investigation of the disaster will remain classified.
Any one of the signatories has the right to veto the publication of the results of the investigation without explanation.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-what-is-the-joint-investigation-team-what-is-it-for-whos-leading-it-and-why-is-malaysia-excluded/5417589
Andra intressanta länkar om Ukraina och Holland:
http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/ukraine-deputy-minister-mh17-investigation-would-improve-after-ratification/
http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/ukraine-president-poroshenko-links-mh17-investigation-to-ukraine-eu-treaty/
http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/statement-ukraine-mh17-investigation-better-by-ratification-not-reported-by-any-dutch-media/
Dutch newspaper: Corruption in Ukrainian secret service taints MH17 investigation
https://www.newcoldwar.org/dutch-newspaper-corruption-in-ukrainian-secret-service-taints-mh17-investigation/
Long list of indications showing the Dutch are not very keen in finding MH17 truth
http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/long-list-of-indications-showing-the-dutch-are-not-very-keen-in-finding-mh17-truth/
Ukraine is not cooperating with investigation as they should for ‘innocent state’
http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/ukraine-is-not-cooperating-with-investigation-as-they-should-for-innocent-state/
http://johnhelmer.net/mh17-prosecution-the-dutch-fire-their-big-guns-the-subjunctive-and-conditional-tenses-plus-ukrainian-secret-service-tapes/
http://johnhelmer.net/flashlight-from-mh-17-investigation-dutch-australian-and-ukrainian-police-announce-end-of-tunnel-russian-generals-announce-tunnel-vision/
Malaysia Demands JIT To Provide Transparent Access To Evidence On MH17 Case
“Malaysia as a party to MH17 incident wanted to be a participant to the JIT as quickly as possible and as soon as JIT was established, but unfortunately our entry into the JIT process was delayed… That is something that we do not feel very comfortable with,”
“As far as we know, before Malaysia was invited to join the team, other members had made a decision that any information would be made public only if all of them, including Ukraine, agreed on that,” Lavrov added.
https://southfront.org/malaysia-demands-jit-to-provide-transparent-access-to-evidence-on-mh17-case/